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He was too modest to continue reading. best army officer i've worked with is about as high praise as you can get. >> and you're not elected for the national security counsel unless you're the very best. everything about lieutenant colonel vindman screams excellence. and he used that word. why did you report it when you knew it was wrong? it was my duty. remember vindman went up there because he knew it was wrong and thank god there's still guys who know right from wrong and it's the foreign service officers and military officer whose right now are going to save our democracy. >> what was your ...

He says that you'll have to issue a subpoena but then he won't even promise to go if there is a subpoena. >> correct. and it's fairly common for witnesses to say, look, i'm not just wandering in to testify because you asked nicely. i don't want to be perceived as someone who is anxious to testify. give me a subpoena. but the issue with bolton and the issue with all of these nsc witnesses is that the president's lawyer, pat cipollone has said in a very direct way, we don't think you should testify. we think this is an illegitimate inquiry. morrison, very significantly, is not following that dir...

Why does he have to ask a court about whether to agree to it? >> you also predicted that this was going to be tied up for a long time. your surprised how quickly this is now before a judge? >> it's before a judge. it's not decided in the district court. there is no resolution in the circuit court. so, yes, the schedule is fast by judicial standards, but it may be a long way from over as well. >> and you made a really good point by mentioning lieutenant colonel vindman said despite being warned or asked or perhaps even strong lear asked to not come in and testify, he, in fact, did. and he retur...

And optimistic by what they saw from president zelensky. we keep going back to the president of the united states talking about corruption and his concern there. not one of these people who have testified, not one said that they, in fact, agreed with the president and were concerned about corruption in the new zelensky era. >> it's also possible to become too fixated on this issue of quid pro quo. remember vindman, colonel vindman said, i was freaked out and appalled by the very act of the president asking president zelensky to give him political dirt on the bidens. he didn't even know at that...