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Supplication, as you mentioned, zeinab, on foreign aid, has failed us. and we can see today how vulnerable we are. we could see today how we can't even take care of ourselves. we are waiting for india, we are waiting for europe to come to our aid. having said this, i think it is... if there is anything africa should do, it's actually to rely on the intellectuals within africa and also in the diaspora to come together and start setting up the platform for developing a vaccine and producing vaccine for the next generation or the future pandemic. i mean, that will emerge anywhere, eitherfrom with...

And, if given the resources, i am sure we can do it. but where's the covid vaccine, then? africa has always risen to the challenges. so where's the covid vaccine, then, that's being made in africa? everybody�*s trying to get the one made, you know, in india or getting it through covax and all the rest of it. where is it in africa, the covid—i9 vaccine? the point is clear, zeinab. africans don't believe in themselves. these vaccines we're talking about, we have evidence we have shared with the african governments, but they don't believe in themselves and they always want help to come from o...

In order to be to be in a better place. for one minute, i mean, i would say, zeinab, imagine for a second if you had the ability to detect, you know, sars—cov—2 early enough. i'm sure the world wouldn't have been in this kind of dire straits in which we are right now. so, you're appealing to young africans and scientists to come back to africa and work in your kind of centre, and all the rest of it. but look, if somebody�*s quite comfortable working in the united states or europe, their family's established there and so on, why should they go back and take a leaf out of your book? the an...

Both within africa and in the diaspora, which means that africa can — if given the resources, obviously. so you're saying that, basically overnight, africa could produce the vaccines it needs. there's the african union, with its target of 60% of its own vaccine needs should be produced on the continent by 2040. are you saying that that is achievable? you've got the know—how the expertise, the infrastructure? we do. remember, zeinab, that in the years of the �*70s and �*80s, the majority of vaccines against many diseases were produced in africa. many of those plants still exist. the tec...

Yes, it is happening. remember zeinab, about ten years ago, africa did not have the ability to sequence the genomes. in 2020, we did ourfirst genome sequence, and very quickly, which means things are changing. we do have now a new initiative across africa called the tridome genome, african genome. and we believe that with resources, with colleagues, we can effectively perform both sequences and actually provide the necessary information for gene therapies and then to provide the necessary information that are needed to develop the right type of vaccines for infectious diseases. we have now the...