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Goes. >> isle take your answer as a maybe. >> very well. >> something you know well, dodd/frank. when you speak with corporate directors and when i intend those gatherings try to understand that space, you cannot go through a conversation without hearing dodd/frank. how would you make it better? >> well, you know, first of all, we have to have an honest conversation about dodd/frank. the republicans are going to have an opportunity to actually see whether they really intend to do what they say they want to do, repeal the affordable care act, throw 20 million americans off insurance, repeal dod...

But i don't think it is. for a long time, the idea has been to create jobs if you're a republican, is trickle down tax cuts. >> sure. >> and deregulation. so cut taxes for rich people, shutter the epa, repeal dodd/frank. they have really yet to come up with much new, although michael's article gets some interesting nuance there's. >> michael, here is another piece of this list that i just had to read. it basically, i mean, this is more about -- these are warmed over ideas that seem to be about hurting families than actually creating jobs. it's sort of like putting lipstick on a pig, if you wil...

Spicer. thanks for being with me. >> happy birthday. i consider this my present to you. >> all right. don't go easy on me, though. so come on, sean. nobody is talking about deregulating wall street. sarbanes/oxley, dodd/frank. romney said numerous times he wants to get rid of those. is will some spin i am missing? >> yes, there is. sorry. >> please, tell me. >> okay. so -- if you -- don't -- if you believe that dodd/frank is crippling the ability of banks and institutions to lend the small businesses to help the financial -- help lending, then -- want to -- get rid of things that are hurting t...

Romney, well, he has a tall tail to tell. >> can't speak for anybody else but i can say that the comments of the vice president, as i heard them, i thought were -- one more example of a divisive effort to keep from talking about the real issues. look, no one is talking about deregulating wall street. >> what? nobody is talking about deregulating wall street? but what about all those times you guys said this. >> my view is repeal dodd/frank. whole regulatory regime. dodd/frank is one such piece of legislation. >> all of these regulations that are not putting people back to work. >> how about do...

Pesky regulations that are -- you know, stopping the job creators. come on. they just said that. >> throw it back -- hold on. one question. prior to dodd/frank, which was a year ago, are you telling me that there was no regulation on wall street? it was -- it was -- okay corrale on wall street and could do whatever they wanted? >> on cbs he said he wanted to do away with regulations. like dodd/frank. nobody is -- then he says -- nobody is talking about regulations. come on. >> no. he -- you're quiting the fact dodd/frank is a flawed bad law getting rid of every regulation. there is no correlat...