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If you follow the russia probe by now you probably remember the now famous coffee boy defense offered about george papadopoulos. it was offered by my next guest, the memorable former trump campaignguest, the memorable former trump campaign adviser michael caputo. >> he was the coffee boy. if he was going to wear a wire, all we know now is whether he prefers a carmel macchiato over a regular american coffee. >> there is more to the story. the "washington post" reporting papadopoulos did have the ability to convince some foreign officials and he was allegedly a high-ranking president trump staff...

Try to advance his own personal interests. i stand by what i said. >> was he then, though, as you just put it, a coffee boy, or was he a campaign adviser who went rogue and started meeting with foreign officials? >> well, i think we understand now that papadopoulos came to the campaign via dr. ben carson's campaign who found him because he inmailed them on linkedin without being invited. and they for some reason quickly hired him as an adviser based on a falsified resume. and when some of the ben carson's advisers came to the trump campaign after the doctor dropped out of the race, they then b...

>> was he in touch with the chief strategist steve bannon? >> yes. as far as i know, yes. bannon, michael flynn. >> he was in touch with michael flynn? general flynn? >> yes, as far as i know, absolutely, yes. he never took any initiative without the blessing of the campaign. >> i'm joined by michael caputo as well as former federal prosecutor paul butler. michael, you have to admit there was nor than just coffee orders being discussed. >> i might have exaggerated papadopoulos's role when i called him a coffee boy. he wasn't really at the level of the campaign staff where we would have trusted...