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>> miguel, the final thought? >> they're concerned about crime. this is going toy -- to create even more crime. immigrants from now will be afraid to report crimes when they see them. if you are an illegal immigrant and the house next door is burning you are not going to call the fire department. you are afraid you will beep arrested. there is a lot of otherwise law-abiding, undocumented immigrants who are not going to want to deal with the cops at all. this is shameful. >> representative cavanaugh, i know in the bill it does allow police officers discretion about whether or not they pursue so...

Gives police new power to stop anyone they reasonably suspect of being an illegal immigrant. the question is reasonable suspicion. that's undefined in the bill. arizona republican, state representative, john cavanaugh, joins us, and miguel perez joins me who opposes it. thank you for being with us. miguel, those who support the measure say look it will not lead to racial profiling, somebody has to be doing something suspicious to be approached by the police in question? >> who is to regulate what the police, each cop is going to do, once this law is out. i could dress down, anderson, go to an ...

I often do, speak with my spanish accent. that would be enough for me to get arrested. do i need a passport to go to the state, the reactionary republic of arizona. because that's what it should be called. you know, this is a clear violation of my constitutional rights. i would be afraid, i don't feel protected. i feel threatened by this law. >> representative cavanaugh, a lot of latinos around the country say they would feel threatened. is he right if he was standing on a street corner in clothes that were scuffed up or something would he be able to be approached? >> no. he could not. he is c...

It will never become law. >> representative cavanaugh, what in the bill, specifically says, what, what reasonable suspicion is? because i have looked at it a couple times. we talked about this last night. but other than -- under, you know federal law, and supreme court upheld, if a police officer sees, you know something suspicious, shows commission of a crime or intention to commit a crime that is reasonable and the person can be approached. but other than someone just being illegal, what, what makes it all right to approach them? and behaviors, what sort of behaviors? >> is would have to be ...

Will it hoild up? jeff, will this hold up? >> i think the biggest problem with the bill is not reasonable suspicion question which is a big one, but the question of does arizona have the right to enforce federal immigration laws? there is a doctrine of law, preemption where it says that the united states government, federal government, preempts, takes over certain areas of law. and immigration is a classic example. so i think many. >> supporters of it say the federal government has failed in their responsibilities to do that and they have no other choice. >> that may be the federal government ...