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Heard potentially criminal some of the language he's inciting. let's play for you, i'll read the response from matt gaetz to this audio. he said representative mccarthy and representative scalise held views about president trump and many he they shared on calls with liz cheney, not us. this is the behavior of weak men, not leaders. i'm just curious because kevin mccarthy was also asked yesterday whether any of these tapes would damage his ability to be leader. and he said, no. what do you think about all of it? >> well, i suspect, you know, kevin mccarthy may be able to wriggle his way out of ...

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And said maybe said those people seem to be more upset about this than you, meaning they are protecting me. you're not. and so it's not as if there isn't an evidentiary record and we should remember that even if the committee does not get the cooperation of representative mccarthy. >> i think you put your finger on it when you go to the fact that there was this reported, heated conversation. when people are afraid of being killed, the mind does get clearer. so there was an anger and a righteousness and concern as he and other remembers, republican and democratic alike, i don't believe they car...

Expletives. there's other evidence. even if we don't get the satisfaction of seeing representative mccarthy have to come and speak to the people's representatives, we do know and it already is a matter of record and there will be more in it the record as a result of the committee's work. >> all interesting points to a story that was breaking at our news hour as we saw the letter late in the day. i can actually say for two distinct reasons, you both return on other topics later in the program. i'll see you both. also congressman schiff, a key investigator on the key, will be on msnbc within the...

And representative mccarthy's silence on this matter speaks volumes. and also we see in gubernatorial candidates in swing states that those candidates are committed to the idea that they would not have certified the election results in 2020 and wouldn't do so in 2024. so the scenario that i'm most worried about is that a governor, say, a governor purdue in georgia sends in a fake slate of electors. and then the house of representatives refuse to reject it. and under the law that's written wright now, there's nothing that can be done to stop that. >> so, a final thought for me, the number was 1...