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Called a proxy war several years ago, and now as you point out, defy secretary austin when he was in kyiv was talking openly about degrading the russian military. that should be, you know, beyond, beyond defending ukraine. i think there is a difference between defending ukraine and trying to defeat russia. and i think conflating the two is not always helpful. i was at the white house correspondents dinner last night, peter, where there was this tribute to the people of ukraine, both from the organizers, and from the president, which is good to hear and see. but at what point do we, as a countr...

President, which is good to hear and see. but at what point do we, as a country, say we also offer our support to all people fighting repression it occupation, not just brave ukrainians, because in places like yemen, and the occupied palestinian territories, we are not on the side of those people, are we? our allies are the ones doing the oppressing and occupying in those places. >> absolutely. i mean, we've been reminded in ukraine that there are certain fundamental principles about the way countries conduct themselves. they are unbelievably precious. you can hold them international law, you ...