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Getting picked up saying he didn't say what we just heard him say, ron. what do you make of that? what's going on here? >> well, what did mr. kasich demonstrate there? he seemed to demonstrate on the one hand he doesn't really have a position. that he's susceptible to pressure from the right and that maybe he just doesn't think about these issues at all. and he also demonstrated and this is relevant to the repub c republican party as a whole that he's way behind the curve of history now. the public as a whole is moving in a pretty clear way on this issue and mr. kasich seems to be moving, and ...