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Independent which changes the very nature of our political system. at least i think that's what we're seeing. >> joseph, thanks for your question. >> i appreciate it. >> i want to meet paula. she's from teaneck, new jersey. she's been a public school teacher in new york city for 43 year. that's incredible. her son is in the marine reserve. serveds twice. >> wow. >> gover kasich,'m asking this question on behalf of my friends and military families speak out whose sons were killed by injuries suffered is in iraq. sergeant matthew fenton, specialist thomas young, sergeant sherwod baker, and on be...

Into national power. >> why are they? why are they? >> they are the ones who deal with practical matters and somebody like a chris christie in new jersey and frankly a rick perry in texas and ideally maybe even a governor romney in massachusetts. they deal across the aisle. they deal with practical issues. they can help the party sort of see where the country is going and move ahead in a practical matter and take credit for it if the party is smart enough to take advantage of that. >> eroll, you're making the point. practicality, bipartisan thinking, nonideological thinking is the reason peopl...

"the cleveland plain dealer" was all over kasich's comment saying he revaeld on wednesday that he supports civil unions for same sex couples but don't quote him on that because he goes on to quote his spokesperson reeling in the governor in a statement that reads, this is a statement from the spokesperson, the governor's position is unchanged. he opposes gay marriage and opposes changing ohio's constitution to allow for civil unions. well, so much for that. and he's far from the first republican to feel the heat from the fringe. joining me is msnbc contributor ron reagan and eroll lewis. first...

Getting picked up saying he didn't say what we just heard him say, ron. what do you make of that? what's going on here? >> well, what did mr. kasich demonstrate there? he seemed to demonstrate on the one hand he doesn't really have a position. that he's susceptible to pressure from the right and that maybe he just doesn't think about these issues at all. and he also demonstrated and this is relevant to the repub c republican party as a whole that he's way behind the curve of history now. the public as a whole is moving in a pretty clear way on this issue and mr. kasich seems to be moving, and ...

Past week with his position on gay marriage and changing it because of his son coming out. could you ever see a position, a time when you yourself might change your position? >> i really can't see one. i mean, i talked to rob and encouraged him, and, you know, if people want to have civil unions and have some way to transfer the resources i'm for that. i just think marriage is between a man and a woman, but if you want to have a civil union, that's fine with me. >> twice he said that one answer it's okay to have civil unions and gay marriage and civil unions are no small matter in ohio. in 200...