>> thank you, chuck. joining me is republican cramer of north dakota. >> good to be with you. >> let me start with the rittenhouse verdict, pretty divisive. i think you and senator tester share certain constituencies. so i think you have a sense to o explain the divide to urban and suburban america. what was your reaction to the verdict? and why is he being hailed as a hero on the right? >> well, chuck, he's probably being held by a hero by some. i think largely what he's being held as is an innocent person involved in this case. the symbolism that surrounded it is not reflective of the fact...