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Believe we are. when we've been serious and border security during my time, mexico is willing to step up and help us. if we're not willing to hold up our end and release people and no consequence, the questions from my counter parts in mexico why should we do the work if you're not doing the end game. this administration is not clearly willing to do the end game and enforce the laws of the united states. >> neil: if you look at the latest package, very little devoted to what is happening at the border. i'm wondering is it a money problem, is it a commitment problem? obviously it's a resource i...

Is it a resource issue? is it literally a manufacturing hold up that we can't get these more tests available in the places we need it? >> you know, i think that what i saw happening was back in june, back in early july when the numbers were going down, down, down. when we were seeing 10,000 cases a day. incredibly low numbers. the push to get programs of perspective testing in schools went away. the cdc guidance around schools called on having testing programs when you were seeing significant or high levels of transmission. but we were on a trajectory where that wasn't happening and then delta...

We're not going to stretch ourselves even further than we already are. we have to have some common sense. >> you're saying this is a resource issue. i just want to go back to what we were talking about here. how much is this about, for you, calling attention to a lack of funding for your department and the need for more resources or actually, you know, caring about whether this is backed by science? >> remember, i lost 145 million last year. this year i'm losing an additional 143 million. i had 1400 positions removed by the ceo's office. the job didn't go away. i just lost the deputies to get ...

Control the narrative by having to sort of fact check in real time? it's quite challenging. as a journalist, i think the best we can do is go out there and say what the truth is. and when it's relevant to fact check in real time, do it, but otherwise, tell americans what the real story is. >> but jim, that really is kind of the crux of the debate, and you're working on a book writ large on this subject now. do we spend all our time fact checking a president who lies 20 times a day, and does it make us, as jack schaefer from politico said, the president the assignment editor for newsrooms acros...

Responsibility. sdp we're n >> we're not talking about a ton of money to make sure kid kid soap and toothpaste and the tods hers have diapers. >> you have have to have the will to want to do it. we start with separating them from families and now the detention centers with horrible conditions. the department of justice lawyers saying what does a blanket mean, what does a toothbrush mean. it's a resource issue. limited resources that you can still make it and have it. it's disgusting and really immoral. >> let me shift gears. i want you thoughts on what the president told the hill about his pot...