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Borders, on the country borders, since world war ii in europe. and that's why everybody has to act, because putin will not stop in crimea. next target will be east ukraine, next kiev, next baltics, because it's a logical dictatorship. he needs to add to his portfolio of successes. if people are poisoned by this nationalistic propaganda, it will require more and more blood and more and more territorial concessions at the expense of russian neighbors. >> all right. every russian scholar i've talked to believes that both bush and obama just don't understand putin. obviously, you've been somebody ...

Maceda in moscow, that public support for putin is now up in the last week essentially since this crisis that he created with the west. what explains that to you? >> no, i think it's just history repeats itself. 24-7 propaganda, keeps talking about restoring great russia, and it reminds me what was happening in germany in the late '30s. if we had the measure ratings in 1938, hitler would be 90 plus. people are paralyzed by the magic of putin's attack on crimea where he can restore what many believe are russian territorial integrity, wrongly believe, without a single shot. >> you've been very c...

Oligarchs who keep their money not in iran, not in venezuela, not china, but in europe and america. >> and you were -- it's interesting, you were saying these sanctions are not going to work if europe is not on board, and that in many ways you wrote in this op-ed yesterday, in many ways because of russia's -- you didn't say it this way, but i've seen others say it this way -- russia has essentially bought off europe right now. do you think europe can be rallied to the side of the u.s. on these sanctions? >> someone has to take a lead. and it was always the united states of america to take the ...

But we got an interesting statement from putin's spokesman this morning. in it, the spokesman says despite trying to explain russia's position, quote, we have hit a wall of no understanding. the spokesman added, it is rather sad and what is worse is that it is very bad from the point of view of possible repercussions. nbc's jim maceda has more on what this spokesman was trying to say from moscow. >> reporter: hi, chuck. well, kremlin watchers tell us putin is genuinely frustrated by the apparent gulf between his position on ukraine and obama's. putin wouldn't understand why after so much talki...

Parliament stood and applauded for the crimean delegation, saying it wants to secede from ukraine and join russia. a public vote is set a week from sunday. it's a chance for russian to restore crimea 60 years after khrushchev gave it to ukraine. president obama said he's not going to let that happen. >> the proposed referendum on the future of crimea would violate the ukrainian constitution and violate international law. any discussion about the future of ukraine must include the legitimate government of ukraine. in 2014, we are well beyond the days when borders can be redrawn over the heads o...