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I sat on a panel with madeleine albright a couple of days ago. this horrible word, stability, kept coming up. the u.s. administration and the people who advise cannot get over that stability must not come at the expense of the people. 20 years ago, 30 years ago i would have told the administration, make sure there's enough space in the middle for people who aren't either the military or muslim brotherhood to be the only powers in the country. we're now the third point of that triangle and the military must understand that people will not allow return to military rule. >> if you could sit down ...

President obama traveling in africa was once again put in the position of deciding whether to pick a side or hold back and let this very uncertain process unfold, even after secretary of state john kerry last month approved $1.3 billion in aid to egypt. president obama called president morsi urging him to listen to the voices of all egyptians. >> so we're going to continue to work with all parties inside of egyptian to try to channel this through legal, legitimate processes. our position has always been it's not our job to choose who egypt's leaders are. we do want to make sure that all the vo...

Kick him out? >> no, hopefully we'll have a proper constitution and a proper parliament that will give us the democratic means of impeaching this president. right now the country is built on no foundations and a president that is doing a very bad job. so you don't have democratic means of impeaching this president right now so this is all we have. >> that was an egyptian protester speaking with nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. joining me, an egyptian activist and columnist. and associate professor of middle eastern politics at the university of oklahoma. i want to start with...

This how egypt is going to change presidents, every time there's a president you're not happy with, protesters are going to come out and you're going to kick him out? >> no, hopefully we'll have a proper constitution and a proper parliament that will give us the democratic means of impeaching this president. right now the country is built on no foundations and a president that is doing a very bad job. so you don't have democratic means of impeaching this president right now so this is all we have. >> that was an egyptian protester speaking with nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard enge...

Last year since elected to president during this transitional period, at every step. last november, tremendous powers to himself that allowed him to rush through a constitution that is utterly horrendous and incredibly unfair to the revolution and the egyptians that paid with their lives for this revolution. he consistently attacked his opponents. he sent to jail, in detention, activists. he's even hounded comedians like yusef who is described as the jon stewart of egypt. he made it impossible. you have an extra 1 million against him in the streets. >> that's great. >> which says to me egyptia...