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Speech about the united states of america were not the blue states and the red states. they will play that when he wants. and he will play it often. when he gets to the big issue, the size, scope, reach of government spending and debt he is going to demagogue this. this idea of medicare and tax cuts is not a detail. it's a theme. they are a cruel, immoral party. who will steal from the helpless to support the rich. that has to be argued against in te the tail. there are no chance republicans will succeed. >> he has another concern here. coming out of last weekend's negotiation. the story line ...

Of medicare, moving it to the pr private sector. if you look at the momentum right now in the republican party in the mainstream, especially the establishment part of the party, whether it's mitch daniels, christie, paul ryan, there's dech knfinitely momentum in doing something with entitlements. there is say good chance they will touch this and we'll see if it's as radio active as and thinks. >> let's be positive. thank paul ryan, chairman of the budget committee for having the courage -- >> to put it on the table. >> thank you, paul. and my children thank you and my grandchildren thank you a...

Are other programs you can stay away from on the federal level. i want to say this again. it is offensive to me as a small government conservative that you have not only republicans but also the white house saying, we're going to balance the budget. we're going to do it by going after those poor people with the home heating oil assistance that we provide. are you serious? first of all, if that would get us closer to a balanced budget we could at least have the discussion. they're doing that because they're cowards. they're afraid to talk about medicare, medicaid, social security and pentagon s...

Playbook. >> i understand your buddy mike allen sat down with paul ryan who says that he will do what the president didn't do in his budget and go after entitlement reform. let's listen. >> if you get your handle on this problem, start reforming entitlements in a smart, methodical way, it will be european austerity for everybody. >> are we talking about minor tinkering or more? >> i think it's important you to entitlement reform, we're looking at all the entitlement programs. we're not taking any entitlement program off the table. the big drivers of our debt, the vast majority of our unfunded ...

Is split, but the real divide is between reformers like florida willing u.s. senator candidate marco rubio and wisconsin representative paul ryan who are running on principles as republicans look for a way out of of the wilderness, this is the rift that matters. marco rubio talked about raising the age for skoeshl security. restructuring medicare in a way that's not politically popular. there's reform minded thinking out there. is that going to win out in terms of how republicans oppose the administration? >> you talk about this being a challenge for republicans. for many people, they see this...