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street arguments with alito, especially your point that i will highlight, too, of mrs. alito being caught on tape and saying i am german and saying it in a way that clearly intends to be threatening. what could she possibly be referring to with german being threatening? >> i don't know. as someone who has some german background in my own family, usually you don't try to play up the retribution nature of the german people if you don't have to. history as a guide suggest maybe don't do that. >> it is one of those indicators of just how wild it is at the alito home when it comes to what...

Because at least in our country, there was for some period of time a sense that the retribution nature of adult corrections was different than what was meant to be the rehabilitative nature of juvenile corrections. that seems to be gone. >> that changed in the '80s and '90s. the idea of rehabilitation changed and it became punitive. there was so much crime that the public wanted answers. we were angry. in 1988 george h.w. bush brought out the willie horton ads. since that time, no politician can afford to be soft on crime. the use of solitary is in some ways a i am tomorrow of the overcrowd of...