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Back with me now, rev rand, listen to what rudy giuliani said earlier today. >> this is a guy who has helped people, black people, white people, he doesn't see people that way. it's hillary clinton who says we all have implicit bias, who i believe, has a problem. she should look in the mirror. if she thinks we all have implicit bias, i have news for you, i don't. maybe you do. i have no racial guilt, not a single bit of it. which is why i'm willing to tell the truth about black crime and what has to be done about it. >> what is he saying here, reverend? >> when i hear this, i hear george walla...

>> joining me now are greg fyffe a former ntsb investigator and jay rollins a retired american airlines captain and former u.s. naval aviator. greg, let me start with you. what do authorities consider this credible lead. >> it's hard to tell rev rand only because the prime minister said this is a credible lead but we're not really sure what makes it credible. based on the satellite photo, it doesn't have the resolution that we would have expected to be able to make any kind of determination whether this debris came from an airplane or as you said before, is just some cargo that has fallen off ...

married but many others side with republicans. here is what he told cnn today. >> i think it's a matter of whether or not we're going adhere to something that has been historical and religious and legal in this country for many, many years. marriage has to have a definition. and we just happen to believe it's between a man and a woman. civil rights icon, rev rand joseph lowery. we're talking with him in just a moment. black churches have a lot oreconcile over same sex marriage. they are a major source of support. but as jones reports, many just won't follow him down this path. >> i l...

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