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Pinckney and the incredible display of unity of people of charleston, the surrounding region. all there to celebrate the life to mourn the death and also to try to move forward and this is one of those steps moving forward. i wanted to get your thoughts on this day just what it means to you to see this flag come down and also you knew reverend pinckney personally. what you think it would have meant to him to see this flag come down. well clearly i think it would have meant rick? yeah. clearly this is a very defining and special moment in south carolina and certainly for me. i was chief of staff for the lieutenant governor and worked in the capitol when the flag actually flew atop the state house. and i saw that flag every day. and so i do think that this is an opportunity, a first step in the right direction for south carolina to heal. we have a lot of work yet to be done. i believe if senator clementa ....
The gun he used to kill nine people. joining me is reverend darby. we appreciate you being with us. you were one of the clergy that presided over reverend pinckney s funeral. what is your take hearing the news that because of loopholes in the fbi s background check and failures in their screening system, that is the reason why dylann roof was able to get that gun that killed the people at ame? well i think it s a very unfortunate failing of the system needless to say. it could be said if the system was right he wouldn t have been able to get his hands on that weapon. we need laws and background checks for the united states and make sure that things are done in a proper way. i hope that this is something that s instructive for the oibfbi. knowing so much forgiveness and so much grace that we heard about especially in the initial days when we saudi landn roof make his court appearance ....
Responded to that terrible terrible shooting where there were no riots and you had 15,000 young young feem on the bridge that 3-mile long bridge, white and black altogether says a lot about the future of the state and the future of the south, i think. these people these are people who know each other. they have gone to school together and the north, the schools today are far more segregated as a result of chief justice john roberts decisions a decade or so ago on school segregation in the north and so i think you ve got a different south that s begun to emerge and i think this whole aspect about the flag reflects it. you see it happening now in other states as well. yeah, rick i certainly identify with that sentiment based on my time that i got to spend in charleston to be there for the funeral of reverend ....
Who is question why it needed to eded cost so much back then and not clear what s going to happen to this area of the state house, as well, whether they re going to put something else in its place or whether they re just going to grass it over but the flag pole being removed comes just four hours after that short solemn ceremony when members of the department of public safety s detail, the same detail that was used at the funeral one of the charleston nine state senator pinckney s funeral, those same folks took down that flag and this is not going to be a ceremony like that. there are a few dozen folks who have gathered to see the flag pole itself taken down. nothing like the 10,000 or so people that we saw crowd the streets this morning. even with that craig, the ceremony as i watched it this morning, certainly, without pomp, without circumstance. but powerful in itself. ....
Tempers fraying into the night, an impassioned plea from jenny horne to fellow members of her party. i cannot believe that we do not have the heart in this body to do something meaningful such as take a symbol of hate off these grounds on friday. and if any of you vote to amid you are ensuring that this flag will fly beyond friday. ad for the widow of senator pinckney and his two young daughters, that would be adding insult to injury. and i will not be a part of it. reporter: a black flag draped over pinckney s chair as debate came to head. let s come to order, please. ....