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Facing down another evenly split senate if democrats pick up additional seats in states like wisconsin. in addition to states like nevada senate democrats racked up winds over the summer. those winds were hot fought and won. is the caucus ready for that if the chamber ends up evenly split again? >> well i first have not given up nor do i think we should give up on adding senate democrats. instead of arizona and nevada, catherine cortez has a tight race. i just want everyone who is having a help. and the opportunities reverend sharp for senators i think

Joe biden possibly entering the race. and he is saying he is more progressive than anyone in the race. how do you run a campaign that is not divisive but at the same time distinguishes you? >> refer reverend sharp ton, we point to the record. i would argue 12345senator sand was opposed to the war in iraq, he has votesed against defense budgets. so economic justice, he has talked about wealth inequality, he is for medicare for all, he has fought to raise minimum wage. on racism, he has talked about police brutality, speaking out . so i think his record distinguishes himself. >> and your governo...

I would go further and say this administration is taking the legacy and using it to further their political needs. >> and let me add another iconic speech that dr. king gave, an amazing sermon, when he said the most dangerous things on the planet, sincere ignorance and/or conscientious stupidity. unfortunately i think in pence's case both of dock bind. the sad thing is and reverend sharp is absolutely right, dr. king was about freedom. walls are not about freedom. dr. keing was about freedom. making pop eople go to work witt pay is not freedom. we consider it slavery. african-americans make up...

To go after journalists. presidents in war declare martial law. the quickest short doubt an autocrat, get involved in a war compels people to support it and allows you to increase presidential power. it's happen brd in history. i hope it doesn't happen this time. >> great to speak with you. michael beschloss joining us from washington. the new book "presidents of war." a quick programming note for you, check out my colleague alex witt from noon to 2:00 p.m. today and every weekend and don't miss reverend sharp a new time slot, fi5:00 p.m. saturday and sundays right here on msnbc. up next, me...

Talking about aretha's franklin i impact on the movement. >> okay, we don't have it. at one point reverend sharp was talking about martin luther king jr. and the early days of the movement and having a hard time raising money. i believe we do have it. >> we remember her legacy because she sang a song for all of us. she was a sound track of the civil rights movement. if you track where we are, you can follow where aretha had us. >> he went onto talk about how franklin went to several cities to have a concert and raise money for the movement. >> to be the queen of soul in the '60s as the movemen...