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Collapse of the soviet union 30 years ago. he thinks the new liberal international order that we dictated, talking about his view, back in 1991, was illegitimate and he wants to revise that. so when you're thinking in those terms it's hard to have rational conversations. one more thing, stephanie. he's been in power for 21 years. he's not sitting around with his advisers getting their advice. he thinks he knows everything. that, i think, almost makes him dangerous and difficult to negotiate with. >> and during those 21 years, he's become extraordinarily wealthy. he is more powerful than even h...

Destruction in iraq, but it is also the project of the government bureaucracy like the state department for intake and process the information and get it to the people running the government, to make sure they can make the best, most informed decisions. >> yes. in fact, when i was in the state department i barely had time to go on the internet to look for anything because the inflow of information was so gigantic. that is litigated too as well. i mean words matter in government, right in so everything, every word that comes out of a principle's mouth is litigated over and over. gigantic differ...

Seems to not have even talking points when he is speaking is a scary situation. >> michael, i want to come back to you in a second but i want to follow up on that, rich arld. the president said something saturday where he muse willed, we didn't take iraq's oil, maybe we have another chance. we have 5,000 men and women impelled with the iraq army. things like that can have a big impact. >> can you unequivocally state this administration will not send more troops into iraq, as the president puts, to take the oil? >> i'm not going to talk about what we may or may not do. the president has been ve...