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That come in. he's not going down for any of these people. >> they're both right. but the congress is looking at a different thing than mueller. mueller is looking at what crimes have been committed and by who. congress should be looking at how do we keep the russians from hacking and hurting our elections in 2018. we know they're at it, we know they did it in 2016 and we need to protect our system. so congress ought to be focussing on doing something about that. >> ron, to the rick gates development, again, obviously the special prosecutor really needs to get a conviction, wants to get a conv...

Between the two things, the disdain for don junior and the cop tempt and hatred he feels for jared, there's a lot of emotional and psychological baggage and motivational factors that come in. he's not going down for any of these people. >> they're both right. but the congress is looking at a different thing than mueller. mueller is looking at what crimes have been committed and by who. congress should be looking at how do we keep the russians from hacking and hurting our elections in 2018. we know they're at it, we know they did it in 2016 and we need to protect our system. so congress ought t...

Set. they'll discuss what the schedule will be for motions. >> for our purposes, we will hear the charges. we will know what he is charged with by the end of business today. >> probably before that. because when a -- when a person appears in federal court, we have no cameras in federal court, in the united states. but that is a public proceeding. and the indictment will be made public at that point. >> and that's what the point of the arraignment is, to call to account. doesn't mean he puts in a plea. and it doesn't mean that you won't see more charges. >> right. he probably will plead not gui...