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Trainer at the gym thinks of all of this! i would trust him over your sources, rick. in all seriousness, yes, you are absolutely right. incentives do matter. and if you are a business owner, you are clever. you are looking at washington. you realize they are spending much more than they are taking in and that means they have to taken more and that is going to come right out of your pocket. and that means, you will be hesitant to hire, it is quite simple. i don't understand why we are making the united states an inhospitable place to do business. >> and john, the jobs figures on friday were una...

Because, wisconsin today is dead last in the united states when it comes to job creation. >> that's not true. that is flat wrong. >> it is -- absurd. >> it is true. >> it is wrong. >> nevada is worse. >> let me give you the numbers. i'm sorry. let me give you the numbers. the governor came into office, promising 250,000 new jobs, by 2015. he has so far create roughly 5,000, jobs and, oh, by the way... >> he's creating jobs and obama is not. he's -- >> let's not get caught in the weeds and numbers, by the way, didn't another politician promise jobs? mike, what do you think? what happens in wisc...

Think? if walker goes down will it have an effect on other states? >> it has to, for the reasons that victoria brings up. if walker goes down, other governors will be a bit more gun shy about cutting spending and this is going to be a big problem, let's face it, unless you are paul krugman you understand that government spending can't drive economic growth. government spending in fact pulls down economic growth as you pull limit capital from the private sector. let's hope walker does well, and his friends across the country. >> david: and krugman is not alone, rick unger is in his camp. rick, ...

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