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Instant person be convicted. the rules are designed to ensure -- a fair trial for a defendant. so you have to show that he, for example, did not mean, i just wanted the 11,780 votes to wish that believe i was entitled in a fair and free election. i thought i had been defrauded, and i was just asking brad raffensperger to remedy the fraud. i can imagine that the defense would sound something like that. now, it's still good evidence. it's just not all the evidence. but i think if you can combine that with other factions that are going on at the same time, simultaneously, with all these other asp...

There's a very good reason she would need it without bringing rico. and rico would really make this case gargantuan with the history of a large politically tinged prosecutions in this country is not a happy one. so we'd be biting off a much, much more than she has to. >> can you talk about the rico chart potential rico case, barb? because whenever fani willis's name is mentioned, rico racketeering is soon to follow. and a lot of folks think outside the d. a.'s office that it may be a rico charge that she is looking at for trump. to harry's point, how difficult would that be, and which she have...

Few weeks ago saying, if this call was bad i said, you owe me votes because the election was rigged. the election was rigged. that was seem to buffett any prosecutorial case that this was a criminal conduct on trump 's part. but i'm not a lawyer. and you are, harry, i would like to get your thoughts not just on the raffensperger call but even on the fake electors plot, which again seems, on its face, how could that not be something nefarious? how could that not be something criminal? the reality is, and this again is pointed out in the washington post, that maybe the fake electors will say the...

Case as strong as possible. at some point, you have to know that it's time to move on and i would like to see her, even if she uses rico, fine, but stick to what's happening in georgia. and -- that the justice department handle the national scope. >> just to stay on this for one more second, harry, you can build a racketeering case in georgia. part of the reason that reporting has a suggested that maybe this is a more national rico case, which would be novel, is because these firms that we are talking about, the ones that were listed by the trump campaign to determine whether there was electio...

Information, not only about georgia, but about other states as well. i know that for a lot of people around the country, the moment trump's get me 11,780 votes call became public the case against him in georgia seem basically open and shut. there was trump on tape using fake election claims to pressure georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger to swing the state in his favor. but in the court of law, the burden of proof is high. you have to be able to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that trump knew he was lying when he made those assertions that the election was stolen. and so in that re...