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Was in office, correct. >> yeah. that's the thing. it's going to be a convenient case of amnesia going on here. it's almost like i think it's what eric swalwell called the comer coma. it's like they woke up one day and president trump's time in office in four years did not happen. the time where republicans had control of congress did not happen. and that is why i think it is so important to have that context. it was this morning when the congressional integrity project put out the information of the members of the eight members of the oversight committee, republicans, who took ppp loans, to a...

This case, and the reforms and, putting together the reforms and putting together packages of 55 reforms. many of those reforms have taken. place we have definitely reduced the police shootings, and the number of police stop situations, pursuits, and internal affairs. that has taken place. other departments have done the same thing. i had another case where people were jaywalking. well, we were able to stop that from happening. in that city -- that was in sacramento. so, dogfight cases as well. it has happened. and plus the state of california -- some laws have been passed to make it easier an...

Appears to have something of a glasshouses problem. he is going after the covid program -- covid relief programs -- waste, fraud and abuse of his management. and we hear that phrase quite a lot from especially republicans who are aiming to tackle what they see as excessive government spending. in this case, you know, there is ample room to critique this program. 800 billion dollar program, a massive program. i'm sure none of your listeners are grateful for it, for tightening them over through the pandemic, right, but there's also a lot of criticism, fellow criticism about having jobs this prog...

They should not have been on this particular unit. but i will say, in this type of unit, you generally want the most aggressive officers there are. these are officers who, in fact, do you violate the principles and violate their training. so, it's not surprising to me you frequently have this. and departments will excuse the conduct. they will justify the conduct and try to offer up some justification for that there is not to peer at the appear to be indicative of how that action actually is. -- it's generally the most aggressive, mean, if you will, officers that take those positions. and beca...

This deposition for this civil case, it could go to trial later this year. what does this deposition mean for the trial? because he did not say anything. >> right. so, he takes the fifth, not once, not twice, but over 400 times, essentially refusing to answer anything because, in his words, it's a witch hunt, she's out to get him, so he can't say anything. and the problem is, the fifth amendment is not a get out of jail free card. it does allow you to avoid what you deem would be incriminating yourself, but especially in a civil case, which is what tish james has here, there are consequences. ...