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Everyone instantly won't come off of insurance as the cbo score indicates. we will have more options, the pre-existing conditions -- the high risk pool before the old people will pay five times as much or more. >> that's the old bill. that's also before the senate takes the bill and makes it even better. the point of all of this, go back to the beginning. if we go back to the beginning we have two options, continue down the road we were on with the failing, collapsing system that most people don't think will work, or start the process with a better system, more choices and options, lower price...

The other problem when they opt out of the community care, the community problem, they can opt out coming into the pre-existing conditions, the only option they have is to go into a high risk pool, we know that doing that will cost two, five, six, 20 times more even if the federal government gives more money to the pool, not going to be enough to care for these individuals. that is why this bill is absolutely problematic. you will see that it is going to be problematic for republicans in the senate. >> julie: i apologize, the debate will continue in the senate. thank you, gentlemen. >> thank y...

Financial security, which is important to people. but it's a system that needs to be reformed. the politics on preexisting conditions are horrible. but it's disproportionate to the nature of the change they're proposing, which is allowing some states to get a waiver on certain conditions, including that you're not going to get charged more if you're continuously covered, states have to have a high risk pool to catch people falling through the cracks. but the politics are so terrible, i wouldn't be surprised if the senate ends up dumping this provision. >> but rich, you've got to be able to pay...

When it comes to the requirements for insurance companies with people with brie existing conditions when it comes to essential health benefits, you are fine with the rules as they are? >> i would say that i would like some flexflexibility. i know there is a push to have some kind of a work requirement for able bodied medicaid recipients and ild work with my legislature to respect the kind of things that they want. but there would be no reason to move for a high risk pool because a high risk pool is not funded. so i would just stay in the traditional program on the exchange. the problem -- look...

Partisanship. >> medicaid is not good health insurance. it's better than nothing but it's harder to prove that than you would think. it provides a better sense of financial security, which is important to people. but it's a system that needs to be reformed. the politics on preexisting conditions are horrible. but it's disproportionate to the nature of the change they're proposing, which is allowing some states to get a waiver on certain conditions, including that you're not going to get charged more if you're continuously covered, states have to have a high risk pool to catch people falling th...