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The years? >> it's possible. i think that it's an unattractive option for him, and if in fact you could get his military and other groups to turn against the regime, he may not have that option. >> how likely is that? how much contact do you think the u.s. really has besides maybe e-mail addresses of people within the regime, but intelligence contact real-time intelligence contact with him? >> that's one of the reasons why you do a lot of this publicly so everyone can hear it. even in libya in the communication age, you will find there are ways to get messages to the army, to the military. we ...

To rule. that the united states and the west looks forward to working with the libyan people to deal with a democratic post gadhafi libya. and that all elements of the society need to turn against gadhafi and try to become part, and will be given an opportunity to be part of that new libya, with the implication that if they don't, they will not. and you can accompany this with private messages, making it very clear that the military and the like continue to hold to gadhafi, there may be no room for them in the new libya. and if you talked about suspending relations and recognizing the governme...

>> that's one of the reasons why you do a lot of this publicly so everyone can hear it. even in libya in the communication age, you will find there are ways to get messages to the army, to the military. we did it in terms of iraq. and the reason it's so urgent is that the things -- the no-fly zone are directed against the humanitarian crisis, the killings going on. those won't stop as long as gadhafi is in power. so as bob baer says, the objective is to get rid of gadhafi. what i would like to see is more energetic diplomacy on that end, while we look at these other military options. but they'...

He does support let's say a no-fly zone. but there's a lot of skittishness along the diplomats in the united nations, especially after the iraq war to get into any type of condoning or sanctioning military action. certainly the russians don't want it. the chinese don't want it. i suppose richard was saying if they got a direct plea perhaps from some libyan diplomats, they might consider it. but there's not a lot of appetite for that. >> joining us from washington, steven hadley, former security adviser under president george bush. and in california, former cia officer robert bear, and co-autho...

Europeans. europeans have a lot more lines into that country than we do. if we would put together the kind of integrated diplomatic strategy i'm talking about with the rest of the world involved, i think it would show to folks on the ground who are opposing the regime, that they can win. and they will have international support to do so. >> steven hadley, bob baer, thank you very much. still ahead, tear gas fired on protesters in iran. and james arthur ray, remember him? he faces a judge today. and also the antisemitic rant that is getting the designer fired. it's unbelievable. next. yellowb...