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Get into any type of condoning or sanctioning military action. certainly the russians don't want it. the chinese don't want it. i suppose richard was saying if they got a direct plea perhaps from some libyan diplomats, they might consider it. but there's not a lot of appetite for that. >> joining us from washington, steven hadley, former security adviser under president george bush. and in california, former cia officer robert bear, and co-author of "the company we keep." secretary clinton is saying it's important for the libyans to win their own freedom but you think the u.s. could be doing m...

Exiles weren't particularly reliable. we haven't had an embassy there for that long. it's a totalitarian estate. people are afraid to talk. and then you had this inner circle, you know, among his sons, it's a question of -- i think they're deminted, all of them. so getting inside gadhafi's head has never been easy, and there's never been a military that the cia could penetrate and figure out what's going on because gadhafi eviscerated it. so we are dealing with very much in a black hole, and a very unpredictable man who is tired and is getting worse by the day. >> bob, if you're saying the ide...

In a black hole, and a very unpredictable man who is tired and is getting worse by the day. >> bob, if you're saying the idea of him retreating to the desert and fomenting a civilian war or some sort of insurgency, what resources does he have really, though, you know, if he doesn't have ongoing access to oil money because the oil is in benghazi and in the east, how much of a force does he have? >> he doesn't have much of a force. if there was an army, it would be easily defeatable in tripoli, it could be taken in a couple of days. but what he's planning on doing, this is gadhafi, this is what ...

Package that might put -- ratchet up the pressure and actually do what we need to do, which is to get this guy to leave. >> bob bear, from your perspective, how is the obama administration play thing and how many options do they have on the ground in tripoli, how much assets do they really have? >> they don't have good access to the gadhafi regime. no one is talking to washington from the inner circle. gadhafi is increasingly isolated and increasingly talking about retreating to the desert if he has to, where he will conduct a guerrilla warfare, drab libya into complete chaos. the quicker we g...

And you can accompany this with private messages, making it very clear that the military and the like continue to hold to gadhafi, there may be no room for them in the new libya. and if you talked about suspending relations and maybe even recognizing the government that's emerging in benghazi, that would be a diplomatic package that might put -- ratchet up the pressure and actually do what we need to do, which is to get this guy to leave. >> bob baer, from your perspective, how is the obama administration play thing and how many options do they have on the ground in tripoli, how much assets do...