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His family were there. for his part, the reported gadhafi claimed his departure from the facility was, quote, a tactical move. speaker gave no clues about gadhafi's location, but said he has toured tripoli and does not believe the city is in danger. in a separate interview, libyan information minister said the regime can survive for months and probably years and that gadhafi loyalists will turn tripoli into, his words, a death trap for the opposition. this all weeks of baghdad bob. remember him? richard engel went inside gadhafi's former residence and file this had repo ed filed this report. >...

Exiles weren't particularly reliable. we haven't had an embassy there for that long. it's a totalitarian estate. people are afraid to talk. and then you had this inner circle, you know, among his sons, it's a question of -- i think they're deminted, all of them. so getting inside gadhafi's head has never been easy, and there's never been a military that the cia could penetrate and figure out what's going on because gadhafi eviscerated it. so we are dealing with very much in a black hole, and a very unpredictable man who is tired and is getting worse by the day. >> bob, if you're saying the ide...

To have a different conversation with the world than he's currently having. in terms of intelligence terms, i've heard you say libya is a black hole. what do you mean? >> it's a black hole because it was very, very difficult to collect intelligence, and we tried very hard over the years, going back to '69 and the libyan exiles weren't particularly reliable. we haven't had an embassy there for that long. it's a totalitarian state. people are afraid to talk. contacts with libya were with one man, who wasn't particularly reliable, he was loyal to gadhafi. and then you had this inner circle, you k...

Circle, you know, among his sons, it's a question of -- i think they're deminted, all of them. so getting inside gadhafi's head has never been easy, and there's never been a military that the cia could penetrate and figure out what's going on because gadhafi eviscerated it. so we are dealing with very much in a black hole, and a very unpredictable man who is tired and is getting worse by the day. >> bob, if you're saying the idea of him retreating to the desert and fomenting a civil yar or insurgency, how much of a force does he have? >> he doesn't have much of a force. if there was an army, i...

We all remember that amazing scene when our forces flushed out saddam from his spider ole and he came out without firing a shot. he came out saying i'm saddam hussein, i'm the president of iraq and i'm willing to negotiate. the same may be true of gadhafi and his children. these are not people bred to fight and die. you never fight and die if you have massive accounts and bank accounts overseas. you go and unite with the funds and the wealth you plundered. >> we'll have more with ben and jill and fouad in a moment. quick reminder, live chat is up and running right now at ac360.com. up next. ...