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Annual basis to develop hypersonic missiles and our program, it looks like russia and china have the same thing. this is a brand new -- this is a brand new defense race. this is brand new challenge. ainsley: remember when robert gaetz, who was the defense -- former defense secretary under president obama. remember when he said that joe biden was wrong on nearly every foreign policy issue? he doubled down on that. i watched yesterday, he was on anderson cooper "60 minutes." listen to what he said about the threat of china. >> i think this is a place where president trump got it right. he basica...

Getting them out. the bad news is that we left them in the first place. the big question mark is how many were left behind, nobody knows. not one or two. chances are it could be as much as 1,000 if you listen to the pentagon report. brian: move on and talk about afghanistan from robert gaetz' perspective served seven presidents. he straddled went from bush to president obama why don't you stay here. he has held every significant job he could in washington. he commented on jond. joe biden. joe biden likes him but published in his book but published on his book he has been wrong on every nationa...

Or not. he said they always manipulated them going up to the white house to make it look like things were going well. he said it was to, one, make the people in charge look good and, two, to make sure that popular support for the war didn't diminish. so, yes, they were lying and they were manipulating public opinion. >> robert gaetz who was the secretary of defense under bush said this in 2013. quote, the reality is that on 9/11, we didn't know jack -- about al qaeda. apologies for the language but i'm quoting a secretary of defense. did the intel improve more significantly after 9/11? >> i th...

In fact has been sitting across the table from then secretary of defense robert gaetz during the obama administration, whether it was rational, whether it was safe, whether it was winnable, and that was a bitter fight. and i've spoken to president biden about his -- about the criticism from secretary of defense gaetz at the time, and he said, you know, secretary gaetz has had his wrong calls too, and he listed off a series of them going back in his mind to vietnam. i eventually asked somebody sort of impartial referee on this to say what do you think? he said nobody bats 1,000 but nobody bats ...

Senator biden talking about the vietnamese who had worked for the u.s. in vietnam and whether or not, you know, huge efforts are being made to get them out. and he seemed to not -- that was not a priority for him. is this just a -- i mean, is that a -- is it a blind spot or what do you make of gaetz's comments and the way president biden viewed this in vietnam? >> well, this reservation which i think you rightly identified that goes within president biden's conception of america's obligations abroad runs very, very deep, meaning he really does draw limits around what the united states owes to ...