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To speak openly with mueller. mueller has learned these things from that into michael schmidt one of the by lines along with maggie haberman in that "new york times" article, the headline breaking at this moment, trump ordered mueller fired but backed off when white house counsel threatened to quit. thank you so much for popping on the phone, michael. appreciate it. i want to go back to barbara mckad and asawin. the idea, barbara, that the white house has allows their folks to talk to mueller and the president is now saying he will talk to mueller, what do you think about the likelihood the ...

I want to go back to barbara mckad and asawin. the idea, barbara, that the white house has allows their folks to talk to mueller and the president is now saying he will talk to mueller, what do you think about the likelihood the president actually goes through with that? >> i think at some point it's going to be difficult for him to stay in office without talking to robert mulener some way. my guess is his lawyers are trying to negotiate some limits on that so that he is not fully exposed talking for hours and hours with all the dangers that brings to it. that's why i'm sure it made them a lit...