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Putin? president zelenskyy? and president biden himself? >> well, look we don't know. if russia can be sent away from ukraine with you know a great defeat, then the west is strengthened. is strengthened and joe biden could gain something from that it really depends on how much pressure is placed on vladimir putin. his military is just not up to the job. and that will be putting pressure on him, there needs to be some way of deescalating, ending this war as quickly as possible. rich: miranda, and matthew, and captain robert wells thank you so much. we will have a lot more on the continued cover...

Others hurt, after russia launched largest strike yet on western europe. in the city of yavoriv, and american journalist killed another wounded after russian forces fired on them in irpin outside of kyiv, brent renaud was 50 years old, white house has condemned that attack. >> jonathan. >> thank you. >> world waits to see what will happen if kyiv falls or if putin fails, let's bring back our panel. matthew shoemaker. and captain robert wells. and miranda divine.

"new york post" columnist. >> and captain, if i could come to you first. is kyiv go ing to fall here? is it inevitable? >> i don't see it as inevitable as long as president zelenskyy continues to lead, i don't think he will leave kyiv. i think that russians in terms of their tactics come from west of the river. and from the west, they continue to achieve encircle ment, that will be the outcome it is a siege, it will be protracted and we will have guerrilla warfare and continued bloodshed. >> matthew, what is the potential problem there for putin. if this drags on. if this is a pro -- pro track...

From a nato nation, one errant missile, and suddenly you have attacked a nato nation. under article 5, as you know, an attack on one is an attack on all, that would put a lot of pressure on nato to respond in a far more decisive way than they have done as yet. >> you look at map, nato country versus not nato, worth pointing out. ukraine not part of that alliance even though there have been greater training since then, thank you. >> for more. let's bring in our panel. matthew shoemaker, a former defense intelligence agency officer, captain robert wells. miranda divine. a "new york post" columni...

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