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Murdochs want to steer fox news into a more center right more moderate direction. so sean hannity seesshine's tenuous position and sees the possibility that fox news could be changing and he would be the odd man out and be the lone right wing voice at fox. i think that's part of the bigger context here. >> but if billshine were to go, why would that affect the fox schedule, which does reasonably well. even without o'reilly, it does very well. >> bill shine as you pointed out is sort of ailes' protege. he was trained by him. people at fox news want him to go because they say this culture of har...

News channel is trying to get an innocent person fired, and, gabe, i know who it is. >> joining us now, gabe sherman, first reporter to make the news of the decision by the murdochs to fire bill o'reilly, he is thor thoft definitive book about the turmoil at fox news. the sean hannity piece of this is fascinating. he hasn't been part this controversy publicly at all. but with billshine's job seemingly to be lenned in your reporting, sean handity has emerged publicly as a defender. how should we read that. >> as you pointed out, he is loyal to billshine. he was a former producer of his. but i t...