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Craziness. it looks like we're going to know how the republican race is in iowa and new hampshire before the democratic race and democrat ek fights becoming, why is that? >> i think because people want this to be our real election and not a coronation. i think people want to see a fight. if there were a traffic accident in the establishment lane, they can't seem to get it together there. i was on this program a year ago and others saying even though i like hillary and consider her a friend i wanted there to be a challenge from the left. i took hell when i said that a year ago. my friends calle...

Standing up to corporate interest and big powers. i've got the scars to show for it and i am proud of every single one of them. we have a big difference over guns. you know that. i think it's a telling difference because if you're going to go around saying you stand up to special interest, stand up to the most powerful special interest. he wants to roll medicare, medicaid, the children's health insurance program, affordable care act program and private health insurance into a national system and then turn it over to the states to administer. now, if that's the kind of revolution i'm talking ab...

Insurance program. maybe good, maybe bad, but it's not to get rid of health insurance for everybody. they really are nervous, joe. they think there is a decided possibility they could lose both those first two contests. doesn't necessarily change the odds of the ultimate nominee, but it weakens her and it means we're going to be going at this for a long, long time in the democratic side. >> so many people look -- we had this discussion with somebody else yesterday -- they look, al, at the numbers in all these states as being static. not realizing that, if hillary clinton loses iowa and hillary...

>> don't talk to me about standing up to corporate interests and big powers. i've got the scars to show for it. and i am proud of every single one of them. we have a big difference over guns. you know that. and i think it's a telling difference because if you're going to go around saying you stand up to special interests, well stand up to the most powerful special interest. stand up to that gun lobby. he wants to roll medicare, medicaid, the children's health insurance program, affordable care act program, and private health insurance into a national system, and then turn it over to the states...

Of their health insurance. >> don't talk to me about standing up in corporate interest and big powers. i have the scars to show for it and i'm proud of every single one of them. we have a big difference over guns, you know that. i think it's a telling difference because if you're going to go around saying you stand up to special interest, well, stand up to the most powerful special interest. stand up to that gun lobby. he wants to roll medicare, medicaid, children's health insurance program, affordable care act program and private health insurance into a national system and turn it over to the...