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Stays with us for the hour. i'm about to talk to john kasich in ohio where these themes are perfectly in his wheelhouse, because it's really what's going to decide ohio. before we do that, think it would be so interesting to really understand -- we talk so much about ohio. how do you win the state? how do both campaigns win it? i want to bring chuck back in. we've got a new poll coming out of ohio, 49-49, razor tight and this was before the final debate. take a moment here to take us through how each side thinks they win the state. >> you know, the joke is there are five -- it's five states wi...

Before the final debate. take a moment here to take us through how each side thinks they win the state. >> the joke is there are five, it's five states within one state. the five ohios. let me take you through basically the romney pattern here. which is run up the score in coal country, that's what bush did in '04, and win the swing areas of columbus media market, an '04 bush territory. was '08 obama. and win hamilton county. for the president, run up the score in cleveland, cuyahoga county and overperform with working-class white guys in the auto belt, if you will, the toledo area. if you're ...

>> so he has the conviction of ambition. republicans seem to be talking down their expectations today. talking about the polls, talking about difficulties with the hurricane and the storm and so on. isn't the simple fact that mitt romney had a little bit of momentum after the first debate and for four weeks he's not done a single interview, not spoken to anybody, and his whole campaign has been risk adverse. today same stump speech. i could have repeated it from four weeks ago to a teleprompter. >> it was the same stump speech he used as he closed out the failed republican nomination four year...

Because it's really what's going to decide ohio. before we do that, think it would be so interesting to really understand -- we talk so much about ohio. how do you win the state? how do both campaigns win it. i want to bring chuck back in. we've got a new poll coming out of ohio, 49-49, razor tight before the final debate. take a moment here to take us through how each side thinks they win the state. >> the joke is there are five, it's five states within one state. the five ohios. let me take you through basically the romney pattern here. which is run up the score in coal country, that's what ...