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Morning both will appear under oath in open session. >> right, must-see tv i think. the question i have really is how is it going to be done? ron clane, who as you know used to work for joe biden and was an attorney working for him during the hill hearings, anita hill hearings tweeted something today i thought was interesting. he said both democrats and republicans should want professional, outside counsel to question kavanaugh and ford in a public hearing, not senators. make this a search for the truth, not a political platform for senators of either party. so i'm kind of -- i think it is a g...

Pollster, someone who knows numbers, he says you don't see that kind of swing, that's a crazy swing why are you look at the generic ballot, the enthusiasm of the democratic base, the way the voters are peeling off from moderate, suburban republicans, peeling off from the party, you look at all the evidence. look at everything we've seen, then this. wisconsin is not really trump country. wisconsin is the state that has been a blue state for a pretty long time. it's purplish, right? hillary clinton didn't go there in the fall campaign, sorry to say that to ron klain, allowed trump to steal the s...

In that special election to the wisconsin senate last night, the democrat patty schachtner beat her republican opponent by 11 points, 55-44. donald trump won that district by 17 points in 2016 and republicans have held that seat for 17 years. ron, when you're looking for -- looking at the horizon, looking for a wave, is this the kind of thing you look at? >> i'm sitting in front of the capitol, 100 highs from the atlantic ocean, even here you can see the blue wave forming on the horizon. it relates to the last segment. we are a democracy. and trump's excesses are going to have a reckoning. i t...

An answer when it's convenient for the white house. joining us now, betsy wood rough, ron clane, and john hileman. ron cline, i want to go to this news today about steve bannon cooperating enough with the special prosecutor that they dropped the threat of a subpoena to a grand jury. what is the difference for bannon testifying to a grand jury where his lawyer would not be allowed in the room and have to answer under oath and speaking in this less formal interview context with the prosecutor's office? >> well, i think the difference is obviously it's part of steve bannon's makeup tour with th...

Ron, when you're looking for -- looking at the horizon, looking for a wave, is this the kind of thing you look at? >> i'm sitting in front of the capitol, 100 highs from the atlantic ocean, even here you can see the blue wave forming on the horizon. it relates to the last segment. we are a democracy. and trump's excesses are going to have a reckoning. i think that reckoning has been in these special elections but particularly will be this fall with the congressional elections. and, you know, that's largely because of a reaction to the kind of presidency donald trump has had, and because of tre...