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Liz go ahead. >> that tape makes tony sopranno sound like mother teresa. in the rest of the tape he says you cannot rape your spouse -- he doesn't understand the law and not speaking in legal speak but in threats. so he sounds -- he doesn't sound like a lawyer he sounds like a monster. >> sounds like is -- don't know. i think everything goes back -- >> you know what, and we're done. we're good. >> you can go back to the school of roy cone with a little bit back to fred trump, donald's dad who told his sons to be killers. win at all costs. donald grew up with that idea.

Endure. >> there's an interesting story line that involves the late roy cone, who was ame mentor to president trump. how much of what you wrote, the character that nathan lane plays here, how much of it is true? >> it's all true. he talks in the play only to made-up people, to fictional characters that i created. but i felt it was very important that i never have him claim to have done anything in the play that roy himself didn't actually claim to have done. so, for instance, maybe one of the worst things that he did was as an assistant u.s. attorney, he had out-of-courtroom meetings with the ...

Sitting on the sideline of a big national conversation? >> inside of the white house talking to advisers there yesterday, they said that it's not so much about the president's restraint at this moment is that roseanne barr may have outlived her usefulness to the president. he has walked away from people who have been close to him like roy cone at key moments in their lives in the past few decades and is willing to walk away from roseanne if she does not serve a purpose for him politically anymore. it made sense for the president to call her when her ratings were sky high and she was a national...

He's working on a new book about the mccarthy era. great to see you again. >> thank you. >> i'm a layperson in this. i know one through line is the lawyer from new york named roy cone, he was an acolyte of mccarthy, he was one of the new york mentors of our current president, but my question to you is what are the similarities you are uncovering? >> someone said history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes. i have seen so many of these rhymes in this story. you start with just today, the release of the memo evokes february 1950 when mccarthy is in wheeling, west virginia saying, "i have here in...

Now going after the fbi and the cia. >> tell the good folks what it took to end mccarthy and his era and who it took to end mccarthy. >> well, it was in the spring of 1954 when mccarthy -- they were called the army mccarthy hearings by a senate subcommittee of investigations. and the subcommittee was looking into the fact that mccarthy and roy cone were trying to get preferential treatment for another mccarthy aide in terms of his military service. mccarthy responded by attacking the army and saying it was full of security risks and communists. and finally a lawyer from boston, welsh, said to ...