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case. people who had their campaigns funded by david macintosh and club for growth are not listening to him. they're not listening to former president trump so do they really have the influence that they think they have? >> yeah, chaos feeds on chaos, happy birthday, congressman. we'll go up to the capitol to manu raju and, manu, tell us about the key meeting of these rebels, of these conservative holeouts happening right now. tell us more. >> reporter: this can be a pivotal meeting. several members we are looking closely to see how they will vote are holed up in emmer's office, a me...

particular. jake, one of the things that you worry about when somebody has cardiac arrest is that there was simply not enough oxygenated blood getting to the brain, and you don't know until someone has woken up from sedation and is able to talk. he is not able to talk because of the intubation, but he is able to communicate with writing, and moving his hands and feet. but he is described as critically ill, jake, because it has only been 2 1/2 days, and so there may be periods of the roller coaster still in terms of the recovery which you will see with critically ill patients, and may...

Boebert and gaetz in another part if. you're chip roy, scott perry, i've heard from the folks on the mccarthy team those three are trying -- they're trying to get to yes. >> they're behind closed doors, scott is walking in to cast his vote. didn't say no to manu. said they're still behind closed doors then went in and voted for donalds as did perry and donalds. >> they're still talking. what's not clear is what else can kevin mccarthy give to these guys? i mean, there's a lot of concessions made already. you would hope they could get to a place where the roy faction could come over. that would...

Now starting again and going through this. the republicans are -- mccarthy does not want this, but here we are going again. >> so we have a long way to get to 113, and, you know, we will be doing this for a while, and scott points out correctly, that chip roy is back there, and perry is back there and negotiating in good faith to get some movement there, and all that -- i don't want to steal your thunder there. >> well, it is seeming simple at this point, the roy faction is negotiating with mccarthy, and until they come out of the room and say that we have a deal or don't have a deal, the vote...

Conservative, and the fact that he is in there, a, and the fact that he has stuck with mccarthy all of the time is telling me something interesting about the role that he is putting together the roy faction together. >> and so, let me add this, david, in emmer's office, and talking about congressman massey and perry also in these conversation, and as he is going back to emmer's office, he is saying, quote, we are not really even talking and it yet. >> okay. well, i will try to -- >> story to pour some wet fruit there on that, and sorry to mix the metaphors, but the wet blanket. >> back to the ...