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Also, a study that showed that 10% of people that go into these safe injection sites, only 10% of these people get into treatment. the rest of them just spiral down that abuse paradox, if you will. it doesn't really do the things they want it to do. all it does is hurt communities. by the way, in these communities, you are normalizing drug use for children. they think, there is the place that people go to use drugs. as you know, and now fentanyl is inby heroin. it's 5,000 times more potent than heroin. the medical professionals that are handling it could get hurt, and the people in the communi...

Barr, and giuliani are trying to do, those aren't real investigations. d >> it's deeply troubling what bill barr is doing. >>ll you think he is acting as a partisan and attorney for the president,f rather than attorney general for the united states? >> absolutely.y. this focus on relitigating what happened in 2016, the election, isn't that what got the administration in trouble in the first place? >> it is, and it's a conspiracy theory. >> mark: [laughs] they are going bananas over this. andy mccarthy is the author of a splendid book, "ball of collusion: the plot to rig an election and destroy...

We are all hammers, and every fact pattern is a nail. the whole point of assigning all prosecutor to something is to look at it in terms of whether a crime was committed. and i would actually be quite surprised if anything in their day-to-day functioning, as it's been going on the last several months, is any different today than it was yesterday. in fact, i've had a chance the last couple of months to go around the country and talk about the book. i think what would've actuallyou surprised people is if you had told them the day before yesterday that durham was only doing an administrative inqu...

Intelligence directors giving sworn depositions?ce >> well, i think you might see them as trial witnesses. they were called by congress in various proceedings that were relevant to this a lot of what i quote in the book comes from his own testimony. this is not like andy, figures out with the cia is up to. he also what he didn't say in his testimony he said on msnbc. i would think they are very relevant witnesses. >> mark: do you think he's actually perjured himself and lied, as seems to be cleared to most of us? >> well, i never try to get out in front of that. let's see what barr has.

Investigation up until the very end. it really was a lot about foreign intelligence and, you know, every place we operate in the world, particularly all the activity in the investigation that took place in britain, we coordinate with the foreign government in those places where there was a lot of forward activity here. i think that's where the real collusion was. >> mark: there is talk of actually sending subpoenas to brennan and clapper, who were the highest figures in the obama intelligence bureaucracy. is that -- because the theory there is slightly more than you were saying, which isn't th...