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Taking place in france. what makes this final round such a political earthquake? >> well, i think it is for the reasons that you said in your introduction, ana. look, this is very much a french-first kind of foreign policy. france has been such a leader in the european union, really a leader of the european experiment. so the kind of policies that marine le pen has been proposing, suching ing as leavi eurozone, leave the european union, and also kind of -- not only the ideas of them but also what that would mean for france. that would mean closing off the kind of free border zone, not sharing ...

>> isn't that interesting. it is going to be a change election, regardless. ambassador hill, depending on who wins in this head-to-head between le pen and macron, how will the u.s. feel the ripple effect? >> no question, the stakes are high but i think also it is important to point out le pen did not close the deal with the french electorate. she was up against an historically weak socialist party. the prime minister had approval ratings in single digits. the republicans were also very, very weak after the experience of sarkozy. so this was her moment. this was a chance. she did not close the ...