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Black caucus as republican-led states -- even for a rules change, which majority leader schumer said he wants to take up in the new year, you need all 50 senate democrats on board. sinema and manchin still want to move in a bipartisan way. as we stand now, we don't see ten republicans joining that effort. >> julie tsirkin and monica alba, thank you. we're joined by democratica. thanks for being with us this weekend. if your colleague, jim jordan, does not voluntarily appear for questioning before the january 6th committee, should they subpoena him? how significant would it be for congress to...

We as democrats will have a vote on a rules change. that doesn't mean he has the 50 votes. you only need a majority. doesn't mean he has the 50 he needs plus kamala harris but he'll have a vote on a rules change if necessary to have a vote on voting rights. >> yeah. well, i also recently had a conversation with senator manchin actually about voting rights and i can tell you i think he feels very strongly about voting rights. he's a former secretary of state. he recognizing some things happening in the states around the country to subvert elections and i think he's moving significantly in terms...

>> one, joe manchin's name is on this bill, joyce. so we have to be honest about this. but number two, joy, i'm in the middle of this every single day. >> yeah. >> and i'm not going to give up, and i'm not going to give up on all the people that are going to be hurt by this. it's bob dole that once said we're a first class democracy, and we shouldn't treat people like second class citizens, which is what's going on right now with what's happening in the states on voting. but right now we are making the case to them, and they -- especially senator manchin has signaled an openness to the standin...

One senator even presented a powerpoint presentation trying to show them what a rules change could look like on this if they were to go forward. again, this is a case of urgency running into the reality up here on the hill. and that's also the case of what's happening with the "build back better" agenda. that is the other intractable issue for the democratic caucus that is linking its way into next year because there is not a strategy to actually get it done before the close of this year. in terms of "build back better," there are some key issues that even remain to be resolved. upon only beca...

Facilitate a workaround that will allow voting rights to pass? i want to read you a little bit of what manchin had to say today. all of my discussions have been bipartisan. republicans and democrats. a rules change should be done to where we all have input in this rules change, because we're going to have to live with it. and so, again, it seems like he's not yet 100% committed to this rules change, but he wants to get some republican buy-in into it. >> right, ayman, and look, senator manchin is somebody who has been in conversation with people like senator warnock on the issue of voting right...