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Also point out that i think the polls showed it, you got a libertarian candidate that is getting 10% and one would assume that two-thirds or more of that would otherwise be going to -- would otherwise be going to cuccinelli. they would look at that as well. >> this sounds like the we're not going to look in the mirror. >> and also there is also the scandal that has brought in bob mcdonald, the governor there, and that -- the fund-raiser for mcdonald also is connected to cuccinelli, so that also depressed his had numbers as well and throw in the government shutdown, which strongly hit virginia....

Forces put out a commercial saying vote for the crook. >> it's important. >> that's right. i'm not going to say maybe it reached that extreme in virginia, but you have somebody on the democratic side who many people view as just plain old smarmy to be honest with you, terry mcauliffe, who can put out a commercial saying vote for the smarmy one because at least he's not an extremist. virginia prides its gentility almost as much as anything. i think that if you can successfully characterize a cuccinelli as somebody who violates this sense of -- >> and there is also the internal fight that went o...