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Challenge in terms of getting people comfortable. if he wins iowa or does -- comes in second in iowa, does well in new hampshire and does well in south carolina, i think you'll start seeing the field thin out and people will focus on biden. >> neil: nobody knows who finishes second and third, right? >> i think also -- democratic donors are looking for alternatives because they're panicking right now. they're seeing biden not performing well, not doing well in the debates and seeing warren surging. sanders after a heart attack coming back. >> neil: is this party recognizable for you? for folks ...