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Dnc, to pay christopher steele to dig up dirt with other foreign services on their political rival? >> devon archer, former board member from burisma, alexander chalu chalupa, who admitted she provided anti-trump information to the dnc and hillary clinton. nelly orr, who helped create the ridiculous steele dossier. >> i mean, it was alarming how easily they have all done this, but the issue here, mike, i think they genuinely believe some of this stuff. >> it was really disheartening for me to hear that. it was really heartening for me to hear fiona, dr. feouna hill, i'm sorry, i shouldn't call...

Strategically, what do you think putin is thinking? >> well, i'm not a russia scholar, but i will say look, if the goal of the russian operations is to sow discord in the united states and accentuate division, which is what a lot of people who study russian information operations and russian policy toward the united states emphasize, it is hard to imagine a more satisfying outcome than this, right? we have spent the last three years fighting with each other, and fighting with each other over divisions among other things about russia. and so i think, you know, to the extent that it has caused a...

Ukrainians but to say hey, it wasn't me. it was them. and you know, fiona's worked for the president for two and a half years. she had to juggle that kind of disinformation noise in the background all the time. i thought it was important she said what she did today. i hope more americans will listen to that and not play along with putin's playbook as we roll up to 2020. >> andrew weissmann, you have had to deal with this. when you sort of -- an investigation, you know there's more to get, but the amount of time it might take to get that information you have to weigh versus okay, i have to move...