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talking about. and his criticism of stockton rush here, the ceo of oceangate, centres around the approach of stockton rush�*s company, the materials they are using in the titan sub, but also around this lack of a certification process, the idea that you bring a third party in and they run the rule over your technology, then ultimately give you a piece of paper saying, "this ship is worthy, you can go use it," it won't guarantee that it'll not implode, as we saw on sunday, but that it meets the basic standards required. and as you say, the exchange ends up with the oceangate lawyers getting in touch with rob mccullum and saying, we don't want to have a legal issue with you over this exchange. and remember, it's all about safety at the end of the day, it's about this unusual shape,