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Defense under president clinton, william cohen. so much of what this administration has been doing is trying to front run this information. trying to take away the chance for putin to have a pretext like he has in the past. do you think that might work given how tense things seem to be right now? >> i think it may. there is still a chance as president biden said, there's an off ramp in this particular case. it was important i learned today through cnn that the chinese foreign minister or ministry issued a statement saying that they did not support russia attacking, moving in, trying to attack ...

Where you are in this country with russia attacking, lives are being shattered. >> this is a close friend of the family who were nearly killed. god father to the three children who escaped with their lives. now he has one request, he tells me, for the united states. please, close the skies over ukraine. if we can just contact nato and ask them this, everything will be fine. otherwise, he warns, putin will cross ukraine and threaten the wh whole. the bunker, it's terrified children singing ukraine's national anthem. it keeps them calm. russia invades a whole generation of ukrainians is

Between a humanitarian no-fly zone, where in effect the u.s./nato would put the onus on russia attacking, right? fly the aid in, say this is ukrainian air space, as opposed to pick a fight as it were between nato and russian jets in the air and say we'll shoot you down if you're in the air. that's the difference. i wonder if you think that is a risk worth taking, and the u.s. and nato can take, call russia's bluff. >> so, look, i'm a believer that russia will continue to advance until we present a brick wall. one of my criticisms of the biden administration has been repeatedly saying what we'r...