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Because we both shout to erskine stop the intransigent. which by the way is fine with me. mika. >> go ahead, harold. >> the last person to do the go between that erskine bowles laid out was him and if we had his kind of leadership again, we might be in a different place. two quick things. i hope democrats stop calling this a be republican surrender largely because as much as it could resemble that in some ways it's not helpful. we're very close -- there's no need to hurl that as we go forward. two, as the budget guys get together, the ryan plan, the murray plan and the simpson bowles plan ther...

Second term in office. my next guest wrote about the president's re-election in the new book "the center holds." obama and his enemies. i'm joined by the author, nbc political analyst jonathan alter. i want to start on this, which is we've got a lot -- you've got the nas. you've got irs. all these things happening. president's numbers. some polling dropping. and people saying what has he gotten done. what did the election lead to? gun control not getting passed. you have a theory on that, the setting of the parameters of what we're talking about right now. that the 2012 election govern. >> you...

Believes this expert and what he is saying is true, trayvon martin, this 17-year-old unarmed kid was shot while begging for his life. this is not a self-defense case. it's not a stand your ground case. it's murder. >> give me the bottom line, lisa, on what we've heard so far in these hearings. where does it come down to you as one that has certainly done a lot of legal analysis. >> if i may put aside my legal hat for a moment, just hearing these screams, this boy saying stop, i'm begging you, and knowing that these are the final moments of his life is so powerful. it's powerful to me just hear...

Right. whether the center does hold in american politics given the nature of the modern republican party. here's the editorial board reacting to governor brewer. her shenanigans are the equivalent of holding one's breath and stamping one's feet. she's making a temper tantrum. >> that's the review, not even the furtherest out there on the right wing. that's the kind of thing any republican presidential as spir rant will face talking about reform or play ball on obama-care. >> i wasn't talking about the center of the republican party, the center of the country. this was a monumental titanic pres...

Wouldn't this concern you? well, it does concern me and i have said that i'm opposed to the irs targeting conservatives or anyone based on politics. i am concerned about freedom of the press. but i don't see where any of these have led to directly or indirectly bringing the president in a scandal or some of the members of his cabinet, like the attorney general. so i'm concerned about what has happened but i am also saying that i don't see where it is a presidential scandal, the connection is not there. and let me also say while i'm at it, that we're hearing a lot about people that are overreac...