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Know i could survive. >> i did not have that reaction. i read a lot of science fiction. that was my reaction. >> i have heard you say you do believe in, like, pushing toward things you are afraid of. you talked about standing in an elevator and making it -- and having an awkward experience intentionally. >> that's awkwardness. that's -- i suppose there's fear involved in that, but i -- so your dad dies and your brothers who are almost as big as your dad because they're your older brothers. they hung the moon, in your mind. so suddenly this important thing disappears and important things sudden...

Things that scared me most. like, i would take survival courses in the wilderness to know i could survive. >> i did not have that reaction. i read a lot of science fiction. that was my reaction. >> i have heard you say you do believe in, like, pushing toward things you are afraid of. you talked about standing in an elevator and making it -- and having an awkward experience intentionally. >> that's awkwardness. that's -- i suppose there's fear involved in that, but i -- so your dad dies and your brothers who are almost as big as your dad because they're yur your older brothers. they hung the mo...

You do believe in, like, pushing towards things you are afraid of. you talked about standing in an elevator and making it vent and having an awkward experience intentionally. >> that's awkwardness. that is -- i suppose there is fear involved in. that but i -- so your dad dies. and your brother who's are almost as big as your dad because they're older brothers and they own the moon in your mind. so suddenly this important thing disappears. and important things suddenly lose some of their power. supposedly important things. it doesn't mean you love your dad or brothers any less. but things suppo...

Having an awkward experience intentionally. >> that's awkwardness. i suppose there's fear involved in that, but -- so your dad dies and your brothers who are almost as big as your dad because they're your older brothers -- they hung the moon, in your mind. so suddenly this important thing disappears and important things suddenly lose some of their power. supposedly important things. doesn't mean you love your dad or brothers any less, but things supposedly have status don't have status any more. and so be willing to be ridiculous, or not worrying what people thought of your status. suddenly be...