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>> incriminating. i'm not exactly sure what they are saying as to cohen but as to congressman's point there is a statute that says if you try to impede or influence testimony, that is a federal crime. >> they are not going to turn on you, does that count? >> i don't think so although that in and of itself, this is the chief law enforcement officer of the united states and if that means not giving truthful testimony and cowardice means giving it is mindbending in and of itself. >>'s definition is not to be forced to lie about him. >> what stone says is i will never give testimony, he will never...

Interest to cooperate, god bless him. et he should cooperate. the man has been horribly treated by the man who he's going to cooperate. i not expect he's going to lie. i think he's going to tell the truth as best as he can given his recollection. >> in response to that, let me read you a tweet. this is cohen's new attorney. did rudy giuliani really say on sunday shows that michael cohen should cooperate with prosecutors and tell the truth? seriously? is that trump and giuliani. 's definition of truth. stay tuned. let me bring in gloria borger, our chief political analyst and glen keshner to go...