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In these types of things. the president wants people to tell the truth and send a tweet that praising somebody and saying his former attorney should be held to the fullest extent of the law, no jury is going to convict or get rid of the president for a tweet like that. >> he will not be indicted for it but it is a separate point. is he trying to shade testimony. he can't speak to them personally. that is the first question of mueller. is he in fact, the proposition that he's trying to shape what they say or not say? seems plausible to me. >> what we have to look at is a court of phobic opinion...

>> incriminating. i'm not exactly sure what they are saying as to cohen but as to congressman's point there is a statute that says if you try to impede or influence testimony, that is a federal crime. >> they are not going to turn on you, does that count? >> i don't think so although that in and of itself, this is the chief law enforcement officer of the united states and if that means not giving truthful testimony and cowardice means giving it is mindbending in and of itself. >>'s definition is not to be forced to lie about him. >> what stone says is i will never give testimony, he will never...