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I think what rep ellison and again i don't speak for rep ellison, he was pointing out it's not solely the president who was responsible. >> megyn: he said-- >> that that comes out of congress and congress is john boehner and the house republicans, they control congress. so, to say that this was solely on the shoulders of the president is just not true. and then also the president agreeing to the-- or putting the sequester on the table was under duress. the president. >> megyn: it was under duress? >> the republicans were not willing to compromise in any kind of meaningful way to avoid having a...

Americans, megyn. even in the way she framed it if you're going to be somebody who pushes a policy to have automatic weapons that they don't need, do you mind if i deconstruct that. number one, there were no automatic weapons almost guaranteed, certainly not an automatic pistol which are exceedingly rare. and automatic weapons have been largely illegal in the the united states without crazy taxes and registration with the federal government. it's almost certain that the people had the guns that shot this poor woman, miss pendleton, were not children, not kid. had a gun, don't know whether it w...

>> he's not willing to do that. >> megyn: let me just say this bernard because you raised that point earlier. we did have a tax hike the beginning of the year. we had that. >> on people making 400 grand. >> no, on-- >> but now you're saying the same people should be hit with another tax hike. >> no, i'm saying we need to bring that down. >> megyn: but said the rich faced with another tax hike, even if the rich gave 100% of their salary to the federal government it wouldn't solve this problem. even if we did that, gave the rich double tax hikes in the first 60, 90 days of the administration, wh...

People really want to know is why-- what is up with the sequester, i think what people really want is for the sequester not to move forward and i think that's what the conversation needs to be about. if the sequester needs to move forward the estimates are that the 750,000-- you're going into talking points. >> no, i'm not. >> speaking to my point you can get the talking points online. >> this is not talking points. >> to my point how are we supposed to trust our representatives to get anything done for us when this is the attitude. the way he was talking about republicans, he was, he was so--...

And it's very hard to bring a lawsuit against the federal government based on the allocation of resources. >> megyn: and i should point out before you finish your point the white house is saying look, ice did this, the president, the white house had no involvement in this decision, go ahead. >> but they always say that, when an agency or a department makes a decision, they say welsh that's the agency, that's the department. we don't have responsibility for it unless we want to take credit for it. if it's a problem, it's their decision, we don't know anything about it. i mean, so, what happens ...