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It or not in a meeting we'll not know that -- but the fact that the white house, the trump white house felt compelled to put that into an official readout is actually a dramatic departure from what we saw at helsinki. the white house's language, the secretary of state's language is now lining up with what the director of the cia, the department of homeland security, the dni, everybody else in the intel community is saying. >> isn't it nice to have a secretary of state who says it's unacceptable for russia to interfere in america's elections? yeah, that's -- i'm relieved. >> to admit it. >> yes...

Interfere in u.s. elections. lavrov claims the issue never came up, joe. >> well, this is, actually, david ignatius, we've been talking about how chaotic things have been and how crazed. this is for one minute a nice return to normalcy. it was nice. it was actually nice. i can't believe i'm having to salute somebody for doing their job and defending america, but it was nice to see mike pompeo say as he did in his defense of cia director that the russians were, in fact, trying to interfere in the 2016 election, and they needed to make sure they didn't do that again in 2020. and of course what s...